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  Liberal Equals Ex-JW

  by patio34 in

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  something i've noticed on this board is that there seem to be many more liberal-left types than conservative-right types.

  what do you think of my following theories?

  in the 70s, many converts to jw-dom were influenced by the anti-establishment philosophy and anti-viet nam war.

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  Liberals usually don't have a sense of humor either. Interferes with the hand wringing.
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  FOR LURKING JW ELDERS- REVISED LIST

  by jst2laws in

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  2. friends

  sorry to have to repost this but i screwed up the original thread so bad i can't even get in to 'edit'.

  here is the current list of former (some present) elders.

  for over a year i lurked as an elder on h2o and this board.

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  Pork Chop

  You can add me to the list.
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  Liberal Equals Ex-JW

  by patio34 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  something i've noticed on this board is that there seem to be many more liberal-left types than conservative-right types.

  what do you think of my following theories?

  in the 70s, many converts to jw-dom were influenced by the anti-establishment philosophy and anti-viet nam war.

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  Pork Chop

  Maybe it's an IQ thing, the preponderance of Witnesses aren't that bright, so percentage wise the preponderance of Xs ought to be liberals. Sounds logical to me.
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  They're Just Running Out the Clock!

  by metatron in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in some months to come, i expect to run into a lot of old witness friends.. i think i need a short explanation of my view of the organization - that sums things up.

  without provoking outrage.. .

  "the organization is run by a bunch of old guys and they're just running out the clock.".

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  Pork Chop

  Metatron I think you are exactly right, but I'd say it's their 'personal' clock they are running out. They're just waiting to die and they don't want to blow everything up or have to admit they're wrong before that happens.
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  Hamas Founder DEAD

  by Yerusalyim in

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  are we ignoring the fact that israel finally took out ahmed yassin, the founder of hamas, which has killed so many innocent people?.

  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4575552/.

  my opinion...what took so long?

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  Pork Chop

  Oh the pain! I'll have to go lie down.
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  Hamas Founder DEAD

  by Yerusalyim in

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  are we ignoring the fact that israel finally took out ahmed yassin, the founder of hamas, which has killed so many innocent people?.

  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4575552/.

  my opinion...what took so long?

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  Pork Chop

  They consider themselves Palestinians "now", but what would they have considered themselves in 1946? That's probably the real question. It would take more than a complete book to really address this issue.
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  Hamas Founder DEAD

  by Yerusalyim in

  1. social
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  are we ignoring the fact that israel finally took out ahmed yassin, the founder of hamas, which has killed so many innocent people?.

  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4575552/.

  my opinion...what took so long?

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  It's my opinion, for reasons too lengthy to go into here, that the curent "Palestinians" are almost entirely an artificial construct that grew out of that post 1948 period. Prior to that time, most of these folks considered themselves Jordanians if anything, of course it's somewhat difficult to define a Jordanian, they're certainly not all Hashemites. I also believe that the pressure cooker which created the "Palestinians" was deliberately fostered by the surrounding Moslem countries to keep the pressure on Israel. Palestinians are absolutely as much a victim of the Moslem nations as they are the Israelis. You might make a few inquiries into how they've dealt with the Palestinians when they got out of hand, massacre is the appropriate word. There's not a lot of information out there because they don't like to talk about it.
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  Can You Honestly Say That You Are No Longer Under Watchtower Mind Control?

  by minimus in

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  are there times when you see that you still are under the control of the witnesses?

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  Obviously anyone that frequents this site is still under the influence. I don't buy the actual "mind control" business but clearly people's lives are impacted.
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  What is WT procedure for ...

  by Galimo in

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  2. friends

  what would be the correct and approved procedure for a "prodigal" son or daughter to come back to the society?.

  i have this ex-girlfriend who is also babtized and lived a very wild life outside the organization, without ever getting kicked.

  she moved a lot from city to city so nobody really noticed or knew.. now she said she repents and found jehova again and is going back.. live and let live, fine with me.. lol.. i only had written correspondence in the last decades with her.. i remarked that the proper way would be for her to go to the elders and "confess" all her sins.

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  If some time has passed since she did anything that could be classified as a serious sin, say a year, that would indicate to the Elders that she has repented and that her conscience is working properly. They will almost certainly privately reproove her and let it go at that. Given that she's a returning prodigal they will probably be supportive. She could get some rogue Elders but in these circumstances it's unlikely, especially if she makes sure she deals with Elders that don't know her, she shouldn't go back to her old congregation if she can help it because they might have an axe to grind.
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  Hamas Founder DEAD

  by Yerusalyim in

  1. social
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  are we ignoring the fact that israel finally took out ahmed yassin, the founder of hamas, which has killed so many innocent people?.

  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4575552/.

  my opinion...what took so long?

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  Yerusalyim I don't think the Palestinians can give up violence, it's all that holds them together, the hatred of Israel. I know quite a few Palestinians and I've lived in a couple of Middle Eastern countries and have found that the Palestinians are very very factionalized. They are also really disliked by almost everyone else in the area. The Egyptians don't like them, the Gulf States don't like them, the Kuwaitis and Saudis despise them. Oh they give money and talk a lot but that's as far as it goes. The only thing that holds it all together is the mutual animosity for Israel and the goal of driving the Iraelis into the Med.